Malays From China JOKE OF THE DAY

Today, while ‘lepak-lepak’ in Malaysia Today People’s Portal blog, I came accross an ASTONISHING JOKE by some one using the name of zipppp, who among other things stated that: ……..”The ancestors of the Malays, who arrived about 1000 B.C. from China and Mongolia, settled along the coastal areas. Today, their descendants can be
found throughout the region all the way to Easter Island and Madagascar…..”

This tale is even MORE ASTONISHING than the IMAGINATION of certain Chinese bloggers that the Malay ICONIC figure Hang Tuah, and his co-panglimas Hang Jebat, Hang Kasturi, Hang Lekir and Hang Lekiu were  Chinese.

I will handle the ‘Hang Too Ah’ and ‘Hang Jee Fatt’ joke at another place, another time. Lets concentrate on the ‘Malays from China’ JOKE OF THE DAY….

When the Chinese IMMIGRANTS reached here in 19th and 20th century, practically with their only worn-out Pagoda singlet, there remained hundred of millions Chinese back home in China, speaking Chinese dialects, practising Chinese ‘religions’, pork-eating, celebrating Chinese lunar years etc. 50 years later, when the multi-millionaires  Malaysian Chinese re-visited their ancestoral homeland, they still can trace their roots, and they can still communicate with relatives of their forefathers in the same Chinese dialect they speak, and they still can visit the similarTOK PEK KONG they can find any where in Malaysia .

When the British migrated to America, Australia and New Zealand, millions of British are still left in England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. The language spoken by American, Australians, and New Zealanders are still the same as spoken in the British Isles. They still share the likings for soccer, rugby, whisky and pubs, they go for churches and races on Sundays and such common persuits.

Now this JOKER is telling us that the Malays came from China. If the  HYPOTHESIS is credible, there should be at least a few million Malays remaining in whichever part of China, speaking Bahasa Melayu, wearing Baju Kurung, using keris for their self-defense etc. If there are no such ‘originating Malays’ in any part of China, how would your HYPOTHESIS stand???

If there really are such ‘originating Malays’ in any part of China, I would take the first MAS flight to China, to re-establish the LINKS, and perhaps proclaiming KETUANAN MELAYU in China.

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  3. critical thinker Says:

    tmk,

    i laughed my hearts out reading their version of history in Malaysia Today . besides this version there are also many others…all cooked up trying to change the mindset of a section of malaysians that “actually we were not immigrants”.

    no matter what they claim, history with all the evidence as presented by both local and western historians all confirmed that the chinese were indeed immigrants to this part of the Malay Archipelago .

    i read in a wiwikdedia that proto malays were long found to be living in taiwan …but does this mean that they were the founders of china .

    the peranakan chinese were the only early settlers from china who had well assimilated to the cultures of the malays . that shows that the malays had centuries before ruled the malay states from up to southern thailand to the now singapore .

    but of course there were thousands of malays living in cambodia ,vietnam , laos too …practsing malay cultures and islam . malays then were excellent seafarers ..looking for better land to till and settle.

    nonetheless , despite the idiotic Malaysia Today publishing the silly “history” , it is time that some ultra kiasu populace to start accepting the fact and be like a true “malaysian citizen” like many others ..if they can’t do so and think that there are better places to go ..plse respectfully do so …

  4. Anonymous Says:

    Home » Malays Melayu » You are here
    History of Melayus
    by Uncle Sha 30th Jul 2007

    I’ve always been intrigued by history. I regretted not taking up this up seriously during my formative studying years and took up the ’safe’ route instead.

    I’m a boring engineer now who cracks lame engineer jokes like

    Q: What do engineers use for birth control?
    A: Their personalities.

    Not funny right …
    Anyway I was interested to find out more about the Malays. I pose myself this question always. “Where do I come from? or what is my calling in life”. Only when you know your past and take a closer look at the events of the past call history we may find the answers

    It’s intriguing after hours of reading and research I might add. So there might be parts to this entries. I’ll just start with the basic of the Malays, their origin

    Malays are seafaring people
    For the clueless, I hope you can differentiate Malays and Melayus. Malays is in English language while Melayu is in Malay language. We’re 99% entirely Islam with Malaysia with the most bulk of Malays around with 12 millions in population. Singapore has about 600,000 Malays in total.

    In fact our Malay roots are hotly contested and questioned these days as experts believe there’s no such race as Malays but we’re a new race that includes various ethnicity such as Thai, Orang Asli, Sabah and Sarawak indigenous people, Indian Muslims, Bugis, Bawean, Javanese, Thai and Achehnese.

    Our roots can be traced back to Yunnan, China. The Jakun are seafaring people. These sea tribes people probably expanded to coastal Borneo (Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei), then into Sumatra (Indonesia) and then the Malay Penisula (Malaysia, Singapore)

    The modern Singapore, Indons and Malaysians you see nowadays are infact the descendants of these Jakun mixed with modern Indian, Thai, Arab and Chinese blood. How cool is that. This is due to the Jakun nature of life trading and seafaring way of life throughout from China to Malay Penisula.

    So basically we’ve a upward migratory route from south to north, although our roots are traced back to Yunnan, China

    Jakun people

    • warisan tmk Says:

      No one has come out with any credible basis to HYPOTHISE that the Malays can be ‘traced back’ to Yunnan, China.

      I have challenged many HISTORIAN BLOGGERS on this subject, but NONE replied.

      • zipppp Says:

        I have challenged many HISTORIAN BLOGGERS on this subject, but NONE replied.

        I have challenged
        Now i have reply!!!!Warisan Fagot

        http://www.reuters.c…0071119?sp=true
        HONG KONG (Reuters) – Over 100 ancient jade artifacts in museums across southeast Asia have been traced back to Taiwan, shedding new light on sea trade patterns dating back 5,000 years, researchers said.

        Using X-ray spectrometers, the international team of scientists analyzed 144 jade ornaments dating from 3,000 BC to 500 AD and found that at least 116 originated from Fengtian in eastern Taiwan.

        “The chemical composition of jade reveals its origin and … their analysis determined the relative amounts of iron, magnesium, and silicon in the jade,” the scientists wrote in a paper published in the latest issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

        “Based on elemental composition, 116 artifacts were identified as originating in Fengtian. The source of the others remains unknown.”

        Fengtian jade has a distinctive translucent green hue and black spots.

        The 144 artifacts were unearthed in archaeological excavations in Taiwan, the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, and Thailand.

        ANCIENT FACTORIES

        Odds and ends of Fengtian jade were found at several sites in the Philippines, Thailand and southern Vietnam, which the lead researcher Hung Hsiao-chun said may have been workshops.

        “Fengtian jade was shipped to these workshops in southeast Asia, which dated from 500 BC to 100 AD. They were very small and they churned out these ornaments that were then exported to other places,” said Hung, of the Australian National University in Canberra.

        “What’s really interesting is their products (from different countries) were very similar,” she told Reuters in a telephone interview.

        Jade earrings, beads, bracelets and pendants, some depicting two-headed animals, were popular in southeast Asia during the early Iron Age between 500 BC and 500 AD.

        Prior to this period, however, Taiwan’s jade ornaments were likely to have been crafted back home in Fengtian.

        “There was a very huge workshop in Fengtian, dating back to 3,000 BC,” Hung said, adding that one of the earliest pieces of Fengtian jade found in the Philippines dates back to 2,000 BC.

        “Before, researchers thought all the jade in the Philippines was from China or Vietnam. With our analysis … we found that most of the ornamental jade in the Philippines was from Taiwan.”

        The findings of Hung and her team revealed one of the largest prehistoric trades in semiprecious stone.

        “Their seafaring methods must have been very superior, even back then,” Hung said.

        “What we know now is the origin of the jade. We need to find out who these craftsmen were and what tools they used. We know very little about their manufacturing process.”

        • warisan tmk Says:

          zipppp,

          This article does not prove anything to satisfy my challenge.

          To unearth JADE ARTIFACTS made-in Taiwan in Philipines, Thailand and Malaysia, if there were really any, is like UNEARTHING fake Rolex watches ‘made-in-Switzerland’in Petaling Street and UNCOVERING Honda ‘made-in-Japan’ old junk in a Puchong scrapyard.

          • zipppp Says:

            The 144 artifacts were unearthed in archaeological excavations in Taiwan, the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam, and Thailand
            southeast Asia, which dated from 500 BC to 100 AD. They were very small and they churned out these ornaments

            I will not reply to again !!!!
            You are not worth my time!!!

            You should not have open this blog for comment because you are a junk in UMNO ketuanaan scrapyard

            • warisan tmk Says:

              Zipppp,

              To convince others with what you believe in is not an easy task and require patience and perseverence. Worse still if your basis are FLIMSY.

  5. Anonymous Says:

    Dr. Wan Hasni
    Dedicated to The Future of ProsperityHome About Dr Wan Muhamad Hasni

    ORIGINS OF THE MALAYS AND MALAYSIA – REVISITED

    As some readers might recall my earlier article “A Very Brief History of the Malays and Malaysia”, I have tried to explain about the subject in my own “naive” and “uneducated ways”. It was written out of my general knowledge and observations, as I have been traveling around the region extensively and I have always been a keen observer of the peoples that I came into encounter with. The fact that the “Malays” as I saw represents quite a large group of maybe around three hundred million people or more, it intrigues me to search and understand who the Malays are and their origins. Since the last writing, I have been reading and researching on the subject and slowly it becomes clearer to me. And thus, I would like to revisit the subject and put in proper perspectives some of the factual issues and hypothesis to correct some of the matters that I have raised earlier.

    Fact 1: The first occupiers of Malaysia are undoubtedly the Semang Negritos which came to the region somewhere around 500,000 years ago. They are part of the first wave of human migration to South East Asia from the East African plains and gradually move throughout the “Islands” until finally they reached further south as far as Tasmania. They shared in a large degree many similarities to the Papuan natives as well as the aborigines in the Australian continent. They are in no way can be categorized as Malays.

    Fact 2: The Malays are a branch of the so called “Austronesians” family which originates from the southern mainland China, cross the straits into the Taiwan Islands (3500 B.C.) then spread into the Philippines Islands, Borneo and the rest of the Malay archipelago (from 3500 B.C. to 1600 B.C.). Some of the Austronesians never crossed the Taiwan straits and instead move southwards and occupy what is South Vietnam and Cambodia today and became the so called Champa people. While some of the Island and seafaring Austronesians end up taking sea voyages and occupy the Pacific Islands (the Polynesians – Fiji, Tonga, Samoa etc) as far as the Hawaii Islands (from 1600 B.C. to 600 A.D.). This branch is called today as the “Polynesians”, while another smaller branch migrated to the Madagascar Island near the coast of East Africa. This probably answers the puzzle to my mind why these peoples outlook are so much similar to the Malays in South East Asia.

  6. zipppp Says:

    Most probably those seafarer malay are unwanted in China.HYPOTHESIS or truth… judge by your own Roots.

    History of human DNA don’t change!!!!!!!!Your racist comment did….UMNO did change your History.

  7. zipppp Says:

    mami aziza
    02 July, 2010
    Votes: -1
    203.82.80.23

    SI MAMMI BODOH
    awak nak pinjam ke BUKU sejarah HANG TUAH ada dalam almari saya yg sudah berusia lebih dari 40 tahun.

    And if you don’t have Hang Tuah book ask Mami Aziza…. See if that book ,,,got said Melayu tak hilang di d u n i a.
    If you find any hint,,,,pls do give me a call…and also …why did Legenda Hang Tuah missing in the School History Book.

  8. zipppp Says:

    Wtkm

    Give me your best shot!!!

    You can call all your Warisan tkm kaki bodek in this blog to join in.Or you can always meet me in Malaysia today.It’s a challenge

    • warisan tmk Says:

      zipppp,

      I’m now returning a drop-shot into your court.

      Waves of British people opened up new territories in North America. Now, the Americans share almost similar religion, language and culture with the British who remain in Britain.

      Waves of Chinese left the South China shores for countries of South-east Asia. Now, Malaysian Chinese, Indonesian Chinese and Thailand Chinese, share almost the same religion, culture and language with the Chinese in China.

      To hypothise that Malays were from Yunan, Taiwan or any other parts of the world, there must be significant number of Malays still in Yunnan, Taiwan or other part of the world. BUT, where are they?

      • zipppp Says:

        The Taiwanese also lack
        the most common Asian mtDNA SSO type (234), which
        has been found in every other east Asian population
        sampled. Furthermore, an AMOVA of 11 Asian populations
        revealed that the Taiwanese account for more
        Asian substructure than does any other single population
        (Melton and Stoneking 1996). Second, the Taiwanese
        have a deep position with respect to Asian mtDNA control-
        region variation, as evidenced by the appearance of
        their sequences throughout neighbor-joining phylogenies
        of the most commonly shared types. This may indicate
        that they are derived from an early diverse pool of types
        that spread, from a centralized location, throughout
        Asia; certainly, the mismatch expansion times indicate
        that this substantial diversity has temporally deep roots.
        In fact, the four shared lineages without the deletion
        were observed to be from central Asia, northeast coastal
        Asia, island Southeast Asia, andMongolia. The presence
        of related types in Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Ryukyu, and
        the Ainu is quite intriguing, and, although nothing suggests
        tight associations among any of these populations,
        we cannot rule out more recent introduction directly
        onto Taiwan, via migration, of mtDNAs from these
        northern coastal regions (however, the flow of mtDNAs
        could have been in the other direction).
        Overall, for the markers we have described, the Taiwanese
        most resemble populations from the Philippines,
        but this probably is the result of migration from Taiwan—
        and perhaps especially from the Ami—south to
        the Philippines, as suggested by an earlier analysis of
        mtDNA diversity (Melton et al. 1995). However, although
        a connection between Taiwanese with the deletion
        and Southeast Asia is robust, mainland Asian connections
        for the deletion are present as well and have
        been found in additional mtDNAs observed primarily
        in north Asia and Taiwan. mtDNA substitutions associated
        with the Polynesian motif (e.g., 16217 and 16261)
        were also observed in China and Mongolia (as well as
        in Indonesia and the Philippines), providing another
        mainland link. Curiously, although the 9-bp deletion and
        related control-region motifs are easily detectable in
        Southeast Asia, there is little evidence of Taiwanese
        mtDNAs without the deletion in this region. Only one
        haplotype of Taiwanese without the 9-bp deletion was
        shared with another island Southeast Asian population,
        although there were a number of similar lineages. Unfortunately,
        at the present time, we lack mtDNA sequence
        data from Vietnam, Thailand, and other areas
        of mainland Southeast Asia, and, since theories about
        Taiwanese origins emphasize both south China and
        northern Indochina as potential sources, these would be
        valuable populations to sample.
        Languages remotely ancestral to Austronesian languages
        may have been spoken in south China before
        5000 B.C. but may have been obliterated by the expansion
        of Chinese languages (Bellwood 1978). Benedict
        (1942) hypothesized an ancient link between Austronesian
        languages and the Thai-Kadai language group,
        which may have arisen in Neolithic rice-cultivating communities
        in China south of the Yangtze River, including
        northern Thailand and Indochina, around 5000–4000
        B.C. This theory has been controversial, but there are
        Chinese records of southern mainlanders (the Yue¨h)who
        may have spoken Austronesian languages, although evidence
        for this is weak (Bellwood 1978). Therefore, associations
        between Austronesian languages, the Neolithic
        archaeology of the Corded Ware culture, and the
        diverse deep pool of mtDNAs in these tribes provide a
        Melton et al.: Genetic Variation in Indigenous Taiwanese 1819
        Figure 5 PC map based on first and second scaled vectors derived from the frequency of eight Alu insertion polymorphisms. The trace
        values for the first, second, and third PCs were 67.6%, 14.2%, and 8.2%, respectively.
        tantalizing hint that present-day aboriginal Taiwanese
        are relict descendants of south Chinese or Indochinese
        Neolithic populations.
        Previously, we showed a directional component for
        gene flow from Taiwan south through the Philippines
        and east Indonesia (Melton et al. 1995). Here, we have
        tried to shed some light on what might be the ultimate
        source for Austronesian populations in Asia. Although
        additional genetic markers, populations, and archaeological
        data would be useful, a scenario for the early
        colonization of Taiwan could be sketched as follows.
        During 6000–4000 B.C. Neolithic proto-Austronesian
        speakers, spreading from early centers of rice cultivation
        in central and south China, expanded to coastal China
        and across the Formosa Straits (and to some extent into
        the northern regions of China), taking with them considerable
        mtDNA diversity, including the 9-bp deletion.
        Arriving in Taiwan, they spread over the island and left
        evidence of the Corded Ware culture. Several or many
        waves of migration occurred, contributing to the genetic
        diversity that we observed. Later, introduction onto the
        west coast of the Lungshanoid culture perhaps introduced
        more mtDNA variation, but during this time the
        Austronesian-associated Corded Ware culture was already
        moving through the Pacific, carrying a limited selection
        of mtDNAs with and those without the 9-bp
        deletion. Meanwhile, proto-Austronesian languages
        were being extinguished in mainland Asia. In more recent
        times, perhaps the last 3,000 years, invasion by
        modern populations drove the linguistically isolated Taiwanese
        into remote areas of the island, where they experienced
        tribal linguistic and cultural differentiation,
        but the time depth for this did not allow for tribal differentiation
        at the mtDNA level. While some gene flow
        may have maintained overall mtDNA and nuclear DNA
        homogeneity, genetic drift may have operated to provide
        the mixed picture observed for the eight Alu loci typed
        in this study. If this scenario is correct, all Taiwanese
        Austronesian languages most likely sprang from a common
        deep root and were not introduced by separate
        population settlements. Although this scenario probably
        oversimplifies complex human prehistory, the genetic
        variation described here supports (1) common ancient
        origins for modern aboriginal Taiwanese populations;
        (2) general long-term isolation of the Taiwanese from
        other Asian populations, with the possible exception of
        coastal northeast Asians; (3) derivation of Taiwanese
        mtDNAs from a diverse genetic pool with roots in mainland
        central or southern Asia; and (4) tribal separations
        in historic times, suggested by the Alu data and supported
        by their extreme cultural diversity. Overall, these
        conclusions are temporally and geographically consistent
        with genetic, linguistic, and archaeological studies
        performed to date.

        OR YOU CAN GO TO THIS :Genetic evidence for the proto-Austronesian homeland in Asia: mtDNA and nuclear DNA variation in Taiwanese aboriginal tribes.

  9. warisan tmk Says:

    zipppp,

    It would good if you could put forward your findings from those lengthy articles, to facilitate others.

    Are you suggesting that DNA testings can be used to identify somebody’s race?

    Are you suggesting that the Chinese from Mainland China had chased out the Malays from Taiwan….. and now they are pushing the Malays out of Tanah Melayu too?

    • zipppp Says:

      Migration & seafaring did.

      History of human DNA don’t change!!!!!!!!Your racist comment did show us how racist Warisan tmk is….UMNO did change your History.Not us.

      Ask your Apanama (Mamak Kutty) what are they Roots.Ask his grandchildren do they know they own Roots or even speak they forefather language ….this is what i mean UMNO/BN Government did change your roots and history.

      AND FOR A RACIST LIKE YOU (Warisan)please do
      proclaiming KETUANAN UMNO in China.We don’t need chauvinist PIG in Malaysia.

  10. zipppp Says:

    Warisan

    Got this blog from RPK .

    They fear getting rid of the New Economic Policy and still hide behind Ketuanan Melayu because they have no balls and are too pondan to compete in the open market. They know they are failures and that they will fall flat on their faces without protection and crutches. So they will take out their little curved knives and scream, rant and rave and constantly threaten those who oppose the New Economic Policy with another ‘May 13’.

    Warisan you guys in UMNO & Ibrahim Ali katak without
    NEP is a bloody Mak Yah @ bapok

    I got one nice place for you guys in proclaiming KETUANAN UMNO

    Go to Kuantan Market or China back lane at night and do your proclaiming KETUANAN UMNO there.Please do wear Mini skirt and lip stick.UMNO Baru look more
    chauvinist and feminine like Shaiful Curry ASS

    We don’t need UMNO chauvinist PIG in Malaysia.

  11. zipppp Says:

    Critical thinker you and warisan tmk are the same
    Birds of same feather flop together….The blind leading the blind.Understand and be more open mind to except!!!Not close your Heart and eyes.

    As the same words for Ketuanaan UMNO!!!!
    The Stupid leading the Moron!!!!

  12. mamat Tok Says:

    Obviously this guy never go as far as having a tertiary education, not only in History but particularly, on the subject of the origins of the Malays and the Malay Civilisation.

    This guy also laughs at people’s findings, which is taboo and represents a queer, peculiar behavior if he ever was an undergraduate. If this guy really had time, opportunity and intellect to be studying History at tertiary level, he would know what’s the penalty for laughing at people’s findings. He would be thrown into the latrine. He sucks and deserved to be kicked out of the university.


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